David Joshua on presenting the best version of yourself to the world

What does it take to walk away from a successful career in the financial services industry?

What three things have the power to turn around a career?

And what is the key to positive change?

Today we talk with David Joshua, the founder of Resonance, a leadership development programme that helps people lead with more Impact, Empathy & Engagement and helps people understand how to apply the Principles of Persuasion and Communicate more effectively during moments that matter.

He talks to us about learning to be impactful with communication as a result of a traumatic failure he experienced.

We hear about focusing on the importance of connection.

And the power of breaking patterns.

David explains how gratitude shifts can fundamentally change how we live our lives every day. And he even gives us a simple tool as to how to do that – and it’s not what you would expect to happen on this podcast.

This is definitely a feel-good episode. You’ll enjoy this one.

So grab your favourite beverage. Or throw on those running shoes and here is an inspiring chat with David.

And please don’t forget to let us know what you think of this episode, leave a review and subscribe.

If you’d like to get in touch with David on LinkedIn you can find him here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-joshua/

00:00:02:05 – 00:00:27:03
Philippa White
Welcome to the show, where we unearth new ways of looking at ever evolving light around the world. Seen from a number of different industries, cultures and backgrounds. But there’s one thing that unites everyone I speak to. They all want to do their part to make the world better in their own unique ways. It’s a uniting passion. Whether they’re from the commercial world, third sector or public sector from the Global North or the global south.

00:00:27:15 – 00:01:01:06
Philippa White
My name is Philippa of TIE Unearthed. Today I’m speaking with my friend David Joshua, founder of Resonance, a leadership development program that helps people lead with more impact. Empathy and engagement, and helps people understand how to apply the principles of persuasion and communicate more effectively during moments that matter.

00:01:01:20 – 00:01:25:04
Philippa White
David is a Henley business school lecturer, where he designed and delivers a leadership and communication module that focuses on connection, presence and persuasion. And he’s a Penguin published investment author. Now, I met David through the wonderful world of LinkedIn, but I very quickly hired him to help me prepare for a video that I needed to film. And without question.

00:01:25:15 – 00:01:49:24
Philippa White
If it wasn’t for him, I would not have managed to present in the way that I did. Though David’s story is an interesting one, having walked away from a successful career in banking to launch Resonance. It was a process that worked for him and he knew he needed more people to experience what he discovered for himself. We talk about where he was, where he is now, and where he is going.

00:01:50:10 – 00:02:01:11
Philippa White
So grab that favorite beverage or throw in those running shoes and enjoy this chat with David. Hi, David. It is so wonderful to have you. Thank you so much for joining us.

00:02:01:18 – 00:02:03:14
David Joshua
Thank you, Philippa. It’s wonderful to be here.

00:02:03:19 – 00:02:15:00
Philippa White
Tell me I like to ask my guests where they are. So where are you? Because I know it’s not usually where you are or not. It’s not it’s not where you usually are.

00:02:15:04 – 00:02:35:01
David Joshua
Yeah, that’s right. I’ve just returned from five years in South Africa, which is potentially the most beautiful country on earth wildlife, wine farms, mountains, deserts, oceans. The diversity that has been a great gift to me and I’m now back in the UK, specifically the beautiful island of Jersey.

00:02:35:22 – 00:02:38:02
Philippa White
You have a relationship with Jersey. You grew up there, didn’t you?

00:02:38:19 – 00:02:48:08
David Joshua
That’s right. I grew up on on Jersey and spent I got my first job in Jersey, my first proper job in the financial services industry. It’s a very special place and it’s lovely to be home.

00:02:48:24 – 00:02:49:21
Philippa White
Were you born there?

00:02:50:14 – 00:02:52:02
David Joshua
I was born. I was born in Jersey.

00:02:52:08 – 00:02:53:09
Philippa White
You are from.

00:02:53:22 – 00:03:12:09
David Joshua
Whoa! From Jersey. And then the 50% of people who are from Jersey stay for the rest of their lives. The other 50% leave as soon as they can. And I was in I was in that that can. Well, my work is in the UK and South Africa. So I think I think I’m being given kind of dual portfolios in Africa.

00:03:12:11 – 00:03:29:01
David Joshua
A bit of my heart remain there in the workforce is super important and super, super satisfying there. But I do have a UK and sort of London and Jersey Channel and portfolio so filling that and servicing that. Now the pandemic has subsided is what I’m doing now.

00:03:29:10 – 00:03:49:02
Philippa White
Yeah, exciting. David Before we sort of get into more of what this podcast is about, and I’m super excited to kick your brains and understand more about your journey of leadership development. You work in a similar area, and I love talking to people who are as passionate about learning as I am. But before we get there, what does get you excited every day?

00:03:49:06 – 00:04:14:05
David Joshua
So it’s interesting. It’s a it’s a beautiful question. And I would say I’m one of the lucky ones who has a lot of meaning in my life. And the meaning I derive from leadership development is a huge driver, but also I have a beautiful family, my wife and cats, and living for them and living in a state of gratitude as best I can for the work I get to do and the people that I’m surrounded with.

00:04:14:05 – 00:04:17:11
David Joshua
Getting up is a blessing. It wasn’t always that way, but it is now.

00:04:17:22 – 00:04:21:16
Philippa White
That’s good. Let’s then tell us a little bit about you.

00:04:21:17 – 00:04:46:08
David Joshua
Yeah, sure. Philip. My vacation is leadership development. And an axiom that I live by is that you can only help others to the extent that you’ve helped yourself. So I guess my story starts a decade ago when I realized quite how much help I needed. It was the London Olympics ten years ago and I was watching Usain Bolt cross the finish line in first position, and I was with my girlfriend, now wife.

00:04:46:14 – 00:05:10:00
David Joshua
I remember thinking, I’m living the dream. You know, I had a beautiful material life. I had the ideal life. I had a wonderful job at HSBC. I was managing millions of dollars of wealth. And I remember thinking, I’m not feeling what I’m supposed to be feeling. I’m not really feeling anything. And if this is as good as it gets, then, then I don’t think I can do another 40 years.

00:05:10:11 – 00:05:38:04
David Joshua
So my journey has really been trying to understand how I can move from that very nihilistic place into one where, you know, into an approach, an attitude that says yes to life. And on the way there, I think the first thing I did was I blamed external circumstances. I’d fed my resentments, I justified my victimhood. And I thought and I encountered this a lot with the work I do, that I’d be happy if I had a better job title, an increase in salary, or a more prestigious job.

00:05:38:11 – 00:06:15:24
David Joshua
But all I did acquire those things and all that did was increase the abundance of life that I felt. So that didn’t work. And then the next thing I did is, is what a lot of people also do. And that was to numb. And I think I numb myself extensively, you name it. I’ve numbed it. I got fat, I got drunk, I got full of existential dread and I remember at one point in my Nadia, the apartment block I lived in, the guy next to me, he he jumped off and I remember thinking, I wasn’t there, but I could I could see that path if I didn’t start to change things.

00:06:15:24 – 00:06:39:09
David Joshua
The depression, the anxiety were real for me. My affliction was the modern sickness. It was a lack of meaning, a lack of perspective. You know, I saw the scarcity rather than the abundance I had. I had a victim mentality. I blame external circumstances for my own estate, and I was living a life of anxiety rather than joy. I was I was stuck in what they call the terrible master.

00:06:39:09 – 00:06:41:21
David Joshua
The head rather than living from the heart.

00:06:42:03 – 00:06:59:07
Philippa White
What are you doing now? So it’d be really interesting to know. So you were on this journey working in the financial services industry, had the epiphany, and you’re now doing something else. And it’d be really interesting to know what was the catalyst and what are you doing now?

00:06:59:10 – 00:07:21:12
David Joshua
I’m super career driven and as I saw more success, more powerful influence, all those attributes that the society we live in presents to us is the dream. My epiphany, as you termed it, came through professional development and seeking to get better at my job. The first thing I did was work on my ability to be impactful in communication, and that really came from a failure.

00:07:21:18 – 00:07:41:11
David Joshua
I walked into a boardroom for a meeting that could potentially change my life, and when I got in there, I kind of lied to myself about my competence and, you know, self-talk. And I started to speak and I don’t know if you’ve ever experienced this, but my voice started cracking and it sounded like I was about to cry.

00:07:41:22 – 00:08:04:05
David Joshua
And the thing is, when you start sounding like you’re about to cry, it makes it more likely you actually will. And then then my hands started chattering and my face was flushing, my heart was racing, and I couldn’t turn the page. And I was just wanted to die. And I remember my friend once had been banned from driving and he was retaking his test.

00:08:04:11 – 00:08:21:11
David Joshua
He took us all to a golf club, dropped us off. We were going to play some golf to celebrate and passing his test. And he came back and he was like, You know, guys, I failed. We were like, No, really? He’s like, Yeah. And we said, Well, what happened? And he said it was the worst experience ever. He said he hit the curb, the pavement right away.

00:08:21:24 – 00:08:41:24
David Joshua
And a funny thing happens when you do that. You get asked to continue the test, but you know, you’ve already failed. And I just felt like that in this environment. And I remember walking out of there and thinking, I’m not going to let that happen again. So learning to be impactful, communicate from a really, really, really traumatic failure was one avenue.

00:08:42:07 – 00:09:10:10
David Joshua
The second was was empathy. And again, I didn’t come at this from a kind of kindness route. I came at it from a work perspective. I realized that clients that weren’t like me, I didn’t resonate with and most people aren’t like me. So I thought, you know, I want to fix this. And, you know, I’ve been on courses that are told me to seek rapport, build rapport, and which is terrible advice, by the way.

00:09:10:17 – 00:09:35:05
David Joshua
And, you know, it’s all superficial constructs. And so I was fortunate enough to go on a learning experience with a really, really beautiful man who who I’m now very good friends with. He’s an associate of mine, actually. And I worked out I understood that actually connecting on an energetic level to understand people and seeking connection rather than report a deeper level is something that changes everything instantly.

00:09:35:05 – 00:09:54:16
David Joshua
If you can find connection, then you find trust. And if you can find trust, then you have a relationship. And also, if you don’t find those things, then potentially it isn’t worth pursuing whatever it is that you’re in that conversation for. And then the third thing that I needed to learn was to be present with myself, and then I could be present with others.

00:09:54:16 – 00:10:21:10
David Joshua
And that involved facing my shadow. It meant learning to like myself, value myself, to even to even love myself, and ultimately integrate the parts within me. The voice is in my head, you know, and integration is a word that the Latin root of that is Integra. And we talk about integrity and once you can integrate yourself, you can trust yourself, and then you have integrity which is related to executive presence.

00:10:21:15 – 00:10:41:13
David Joshua
And once I had those three things, my career just took off exponentially. I was given secondments, promotions, responsibility, line management, and the numbers were fantastic. It started to feel like I wasn’t trying. It became more effortless. The more I worked on myself, the better things worked out for me in the external work world.

00:10:41:19 – 00:11:02:06
Philippa White
That’s fascinating because obviously you’ve been through that journey and it worked for you and so now obviously you are doing this for others. And so I think for our listeners it must be super helpful to just understand what is it that you’re doing? What is it that you’re offering to people? What is working?

00:11:02:07 – 00:11:21:18
David Joshua
Okay, sure. Well, what I learned was the three things that really made a difference in my career. I can teach those because that’s what I have experience and what I believe in. And those are the best teachers, I think, the people that have lived it so that there are really two types of people and I’m generalizing stereotyping here, but maybe this will resonate.

00:11:21:24 – 00:11:42:03
David Joshua
There are the leaders you get who have kind of been living in their head. They got the impact thing down, but maybe they’re lacking empathy and maybe they’re lacking self-awareness. So one of the things that that I do is help people with empathy, help them to understand the perspectives of others using an energy framework which isn’t as wacky as it sounds.

00:11:42:03 – 00:12:00:21
David Joshua
You know, some people call it personality. I prefer the word energy. And then the second thing that I can do for those people is help them find self-awareness. Talking about that process that I went through, learning to be present with ourselves, learning to understand that we are not the thoughts in our head, that, you know, we are actually to be a witness to those.

00:12:00:21 – 00:12:20:00
David Joshua
And the sense of contentment and peace that gives us and also better decision making. You know, life is a a single player game, best played in third person. So if we can learn to disassociate with our feelings and our thoughts, then we can select the ones that we want. So that’s tends to be your kind of high performing masculine leader.

00:12:20:00 – 00:12:45:16
David Joshua
They are looking for more empathy and more self-awareness. And then you have the other type of person on that framework. Their approach to life, their approach to work is more heart based rather than hard. So these people, they have that intuitive access, they communicate and feelings quite often, but what they really, really fear and what they lack is the ability to impact the workplace environment that they find themselves in.

00:12:46:00 – 00:13:12:02
David Joshua
And so it gives me so much joy to work with people and, you know, over a very short space of time, quite often 45 minutes will do it. Just letting people understand their limiting beliefs, working them through with them, and then getting them to a space where they communicate uninhibited from a place of confidence and joy and seeing the difference that makes to not only themselves, but also the organizations and teams they work within.

00:13:12:08 – 00:13:18:06
David Joshua
Because then bringing that power and energy into the workplace is, is what the world needs more of.

00:13:18:06 – 00:13:39:08
Philippa White
I totally well, I am a huge believer of that as well. And one thing we also have in common is you you talk a lot about it and you work in this area of well, of experiential learning. And actually, there was a post that you posted recently, David Post a lot on LinkedIn. There’s a lot of real oh, that’s an interesting way of looking at it posts that he regularly posts.

00:13:39:17 – 00:13:59:17
Philippa White
And one of them was around experiential learning. And it really got me responding because I see it all the time with my daughter who’s in the process of learning science at the moment. You know, you try and memorize definitions of dilution or concentration, but it’s only really when you get a cup in water and sugar and you sort of just show her it.

00:13:59:19 – 00:14:21:12
Philippa White
She’s like, Oh, I see. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. And you actually do it. And so Tai is all about experiential learning, and we do believe that theoretical learning is important in some contexts. But if you really want to change behavior, if you want to change the way that people see themselves or the way that they do things, you have to do it.

00:14:21:12 – 00:14:33:23
Philippa White
You have to have that transformational moment and that comes to experience, to learning. And I’m just interested to know how do you work experientially? What does that look like? And perhaps you can tell us some stories that bring your work to life.

00:14:33:23 – 00:14:58:23
David Joshua
I love that example with your daughter. Right. And one of the things I was reflecting on this morning is I’m not sure technology. I got a feedback assessment back from Henley. I lecture there most weeks and it was really lovely. I work with the candidates on every block of every program so that five weeks, 12 month programs. And, you know, I think sometimes we overcomplicate this whole learning thing and I’m not sure, you know, more technology is the answer.

00:14:58:23 – 00:15:26:16
David Joshua
So, okay, what works for me? Number one, I keep my engagement short, so I’ll typically typically talk for 45 minutes to six, 45 to 60 minutes and I design land content, Henley and the corporate leadership courses. So it’s it’s things I’ve experienced. I speak from experience and then I always leave a segment typically maybe half an hour for people to put into practice to prove to themselves that they’ve learned what it is that I was teaching them.

00:15:26:20 – 00:15:48:23
David Joshua
And I say to them, If you don’t feel like you’ve had the click, then I’ve not done my job and we need to spend more time here. So it’s really, really beautiful to put the emphasis on an outcome. And that outcome is, have you integrated this learning? You know, I read recently that that 96% of learners write the learning and development engagements is a waste of time effectively.

00:15:49:02 – 00:16:12:14
David Joshua
So that means 4% of engagements are worthwhile, which is a figure that is terrifying. And I think like you well, like Benjamin Franklin said, tell me. And I forget, teach me. And I remember involve me and I learn. So giving people that space, creating a space for people to actually put into action what we’ve been talking about and turning theory into practice.

00:16:12:18 – 00:16:31:08
David Joshua
I don’t think there’s another way to learn, especially when I do courses on a Thursday or Friday or with summer coming up. For instance, in the UK. You know, I’m very conscious. I’ve got to I’m doing some sales training for a trust company in late June. I’m very conscious. People aren’t going to be dialing for dollars in July and August and then that’s two months gone.

00:16:31:13 – 00:16:53:19
David Joshua
So if we don’t integrated immediately, then it won’t get integrated and to your point about some examples, one of the things I love to do, I mean, I’ve been talking about the kind of personality, energy frameworks and really what I’m talking about here is Myers-Briggs, discovery insights, anagrams. I don’t mind what you use. I’ve got a proprietary one, but they’re all values, right?

00:16:54:09 – 00:17:15:06
David Joshua
What I do is I’ll talk to people about the the color framework for an hour, and then we use the last half an hour for people to go round and guess each other’s primary and secondary color. And that proves to them that they intuitively have the ability to sense different sense energies. And once you can sense energies, you can start to mirror the energies.

00:17:15:10 – 00:17:40:07
David Joshua
And if you can mirror the energy, Nelson Mandela said if you speak to a man in a language he understands that goes to his head. If you speak to him in his language, that goes to his heart. And I believe energies are languages. So if I understand that your perspective is diametrically opposed to mine, let’s say you’re right, you’re an introverted person who leads with the head, and I’m an extroverted person who leads with the heart.

00:17:40:20 – 00:18:17:20
David Joshua
If I can change my demeanor and move towards you, my experience was that just changed my whole relationship in terms of sales, in terms of relationship management, stakeholders at work, because all of a sudden I was multidimensional. I had become somebody who could move over to other people’s way of communicating and therefore missed less. Peter Drucker says the greatest misperception, misconception of communication is that it’s happened and I really believe that is as a result, as a consequence of us not taking the time to tailor our message to the person in front of us.

00:18:18:03 – 00:18:42:00
Philippa White
Expanding your personal circle is a big part of why, if you’re wanting to unearth new ways of thinking, to develop your potential to open your world and just understand how to work with people who are different to yourselves, there’s so many different things that we focus on, you know, push through boundaries to unlock potential, be constantly curious, to be constantly inspired.

00:18:42:00 – 00:19:04:09
Philippa White
But one of them is expand your personal circle. And that actually was the base to setting up. I come from South Africa, as you know. I was born there and my family and my dad’s side is all from there. My uncle was Nelson Mandela’s doctor when he came out of prison and started negotiations with the apartheid government. And my uncle was one of the most inspirational people and he was a physician.

00:19:04:15 – 00:19:44:16
Philippa White
He could have very easily lived in his very siloed world of a white physician in South Africa. But he didn’t. He was so involved in the anti-apartheid struggle. He touched so many people’s lives, not because he felt he was doing something worthy. It was because he genuinely wanted to get to know other people and when I see how inspiring he was as an individual and how much, just so many people from so many different walks of life just loved him and I put that down to the fact that he expanded his personal circle and he was able to win the trust of people who were completely different to him, but that made him super inspirational.

00:19:45:00 – 00:20:03:22
Philippa White
But at the same time, it touched so many different people’s lives. And when I went to his funeral, his celebration of life, and I looked around and I just saw so many different faces there and the stories that came out. And I just for me, that was it. That’s what proved to me that, you know what, it is so powerful to have those experiences.

00:20:03:22 – 00:20:16:10
Philippa White
But then you can then you can connect with people who are different. And that makes teams better, that makes work better, that makes your life better, that makes people like it more, you know.

00:20:16:13 – 00:20:37:07
David Joshua
So yeah, I, you know, and I’m, I’m such a big fan. I haven’t told you this, actually. My wife, Kim, she wants to go on your next your next open program because, you know, she’s learning about it. You know, she wants that exposure for her for herself, too. And I’m such a big fan of what you do because we talk about accelerated learning and we talk about learning by doing.

00:20:37:15 – 00:20:57:13
David Joshua
But you’re fuzing the two and radically, radically putting people in situations not only where they get to transform themselves through relationships, but also through taking difficult problems and solving them under constraints and timelines that are impulsive. BALL Until you’ve actually done it, done it, you’ve done it, you realize impossible is nothing. I love.

00:20:57:13 – 00:21:12:22
Philippa White
It. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that’s obviously why I have David on the podcast because it’s it’s so important in so many different ways to be able to pass this learning on to people. We do it in one way. David’s doing it and you know, you can do it in bite sized ways, you know, like you said, 45 minutes.

00:21:12:22 – 00:21:36:02
Philippa White
We can do a session on empathy. But it’s just so important because once you start start unlocking stuff in individuals, it’s so powerful. And then what we do is we do it in a pretty you know, it’s six week program. It’s a little bit longer, quite intense in some ways. Certainly life changing and very powerful. But there’s lots of other ways that you can do it, too.

00:21:36:02 – 00:21:55:02
Philippa White
And David’s doing that in a wonderful way, super impactful with great feedback from people. I think it’s just so important the more that people can kind of unlock this thinking, the power of these slight changes and adaptations and ways of seeing yourself and the world, it impacts your life in a pretty significant way.

00:21:55:08 – 00:22:12:11
David Joshua
You know, it’s a flywheel and the hardest thing to do is just get the flywheel moving. But once you get and it doesn’t really matter how you get the flywheel moving, but you know, and again, it involves action. It involves actually moving. You don’t get it from a book. I mean, you can get the knowledge from a book, but wisdom is experiential.

00:22:12:12 – 00:22:35:00
David Joshua
You know, what the world need needs more of is people who are put in situations where they’re uncomfortable. And the reason is because uncomfortable means we’re breaking patterns. And if we can break patterns, then that’s the key to positive change. People are stuck in patterns which they think is normal, but, you know, on the brain are cognitive mind is a pattern detecting machine and it just runs the patterns you give it.

00:22:35:06 – 00:22:58:12
David Joshua
So disrupting it either for a six week immersion like you do in different cultures, in different teams where, you know, it’s difficult. That’s a massive pattern disrupter. And I do a similar thing over 90 days, a leadership learning journey designed for for companies where time is the most precious resource, where they don’t want the feedback that, you know, this was a waste of time where people need to come out saying it exceeded expectations.

00:22:58:19 – 00:23:36:02
David Joshua
And the only way to do that is to show people how they’ve changed and also to show senior stakeholders how they changed. So I’m a big fan of a Dragons Den at the end of leadership programs, so that the stakeholders get to see ROI. And just like you said, the talent executive level problems on the strategic agenda. So the when the CEO watches his talent come back and pitch to him, not only are they way better, way more impactful when they’re pitching their ideas, but they’ve also just solved really difficult problems that gives the business all ROI and then say, well, look, we’ve given you two lots of our way.

00:23:36:05 – 00:23:43:01
David Joshua
You saw the talent make a paradigm shift and they solved the problem that you hadn’t solved yet. What’s not to like?

00:23:43:11 – 00:24:00:16
Philippa White
Yeah, that’s genius. We do that. We do something very similar as well. It’s yeah, absolutely fantastic. And it’s so powerful. Many of our listeners will probably know that we we’ve made it to the finals for the Learning Performance Institute Awards, which was a huge deal. I mean, we were up against massive companies and we got to be finalists.

00:24:00:16 – 00:24:25:24
Philippa White
So we were one of the final six, I think. I think there are six companies in all, and I think there were 800 or 8000 companies that had applied for the particular work. And I needed to do a video. And I you know, I do speak publicly. I obviously have my podcast. I enjoy speaking. But I have to say, speaking in front of a camera and getting my passion, but also communicating what we’re all about.

00:24:25:24 – 00:24:47:13
Philippa White
We had the script, but one reading the words is one thing, but really being able to capture what we were all about is another. And so David came into my life and I hired him. He was basically the gem that brought it all together and I genuinely hand on heart could not say that it would have been as successful if I hadn’t had that coaching.

00:24:47:16 – 00:25:06:07
Philippa White
So it was amazing. So that’s one you know, there’s another thing that David does not let him kind of bring that to life. But I just wonder, for anyone who’s listening who might not necessarily know how to, you know, hire you for the moment, but how can they do some of this on their own? What takeaways could you give people with that?

00:25:06:10 – 00:25:23:04
David Joshua
Thank you so much. I would love to. But yeah, your achievement, I think you’re up against 800 submissions to get into the final. So it’s it’s testament to the work you do. The work you do. And thank you so grateful you got that recognition that you deserve. So, look, there’s a saying in Africa, if you want to go fast, go alone.

00:25:23:10 – 00:25:53:04
David Joshua
If you want to go far, go together. And you know, I mean, the number one thing that you can really do is get a coach that the thing is Doha is window. You don’t know what you don’t know. And it’s very difficult to motivate yourself to go and do these things. I’m personally on my third coach now. Every time I spot something that’s holding me back, what I’ll do is I’ll read a book, maybe go on a course and then get a coach who can just implement it with me, work it through, and then you get rid of, you know, what you want to do is identify your kryptonite.

00:25:53:10 – 00:26:15:00
David Joshua
If your kryptonite is public speaking, you go speak publicly. And you know, there are various organizations that can help you do that. If your kryptonite is self-awareness, then you know, then you need to learn how to become more self aware and people can guide you through these things. And I think really the biggest takeaway I would want to give people is, is on self awareness.

00:26:15:05 – 00:26:39:17
David Joshua
It’s the challenge I see most, particularly in leadership, you know, in talent. It’s all about when I train talent, junior mid-level talent. It’s all about learning, it’s all about giving them frameworks. Once you get to a leadership position, it’s actually all about unlearning, right? We’ve got these frameworks, these limiting beliefs. We built this thing which is called a brain, a mind and body age of about six, it’s 80%.

00:26:39:17 – 00:26:57:02
David Joshua
They’re the Egyptians. And the Greeks have a saying and the Jesuits give me the buoyantly seven and I’ll give you back the man. Right. So the thing about leadership is what we want to be doing is unlearning the limiting beliefs. And a large part of that is identifying them, and that’s called self-awareness. So how self-awareness works is this.

00:26:57:06 – 00:27:26:16
David Joshua
And by the way, wisdom, tradition, spiritual, spiritual traditions, psychological, cutting edge, latest thinking, all agrees with what I’m about to say. So the first thing we want to do is cultivate self-awareness, which is understanding that we are not our thoughts and we are not our feelings. So what that means is we become the witness to them. I mentioned earlier that life is a is a game best played in third person and it’s really identifying that.

00:27:26:20 – 00:27:43:21
David Joshua
And then once we can detach ourselves from our thoughts and our feelings, what we want to then do is see if we can accept them. And about 80% of the time we’re not going to be able to. You’re going to feel angry. I’ll feel angry. And I’m not able to shift out of anger. And I don’t want to write.

00:27:44:01 – 00:28:15:06
David Joshua
I’m enjoying my anger is giving me something and I’m just going to sit in it. And that’s that’s fine. It’s valid, it’s perfect. Because as long as we’re identifying anger and accepting, it will come. It’s a practice. All of these things are practices. So number one is self-awareness. Number two is seeing if we can accept it. And then when we get to the position where we are able to start accepting our feelings, our emotions are thinking our thoughts, then we get to the third stage and that third stage is a choice.

00:28:15:15 – 00:28:36:03
David Joshua
And the choice is simple. There are only five emotions. We feel those emotions. The first one is creative energy. Creative energy includes sexual energy. The second one is we can be sad, write sad is depressed. The third is we can be mad that’s angry. And then the fourth is we can be scared. And fear. Fear is the fourth one.

00:28:36:08 – 00:29:00:11
David Joshua
So those three all negative and we experience a preponderance of those at certain times of our life. The only super positive one is glad, sad, mad, scared, glad, created. So we want to be able to shift transmute negative emotion and feeling into glad. And the way we do that is super simple. And I love teaching this. It’s it’s wonderful.

00:29:00:11 – 00:29:22:24
David Joshua
It’s a gratitude shift what you do is you have 1440 minutes in your day. And what you do is you just take one minute whenever you’re feeling something that you don’t want to feel. And first of all, you accept it, and then you send to yourself. You move your awareness, your hand, your your breath, your energy, your intention, your awareness down to the space between your hand in your heart.

00:29:22:24 – 00:29:43:22
David Joshua
You close your eyes. We can do this now if you like. So just put your hand on your heart. Move your awareness down to the space between your hand and your heart. Breathe into that space, your energy, your awareness, your focus, your intention. And what I’d like you to do is think of something that you are grateful for.

00:29:43:23 – 00:30:05:05
David Joshua
It can be a person, can be a thing, could be as simple as the feeling of the wind on your face right now. Maybe the sunlight on your skin feel that gratitude. And we’re just going to take three breaths, keeping your awareness, your intention, your focus on the space between your hand and your heart. And we’re just going to feel gratitude.

00:30:05:05 – 00:30:11:18
Philippa White
That’s really nice. That’s really nice.

00:30:12:01 – 00:30:41:03
David Joshua
And just stretch off. Just have a stretch. Do honor your body, do what comes naturally and just ask yourself, is the quality of my conscience? Has it been enhanced? Is it clearer? Do I feel like I’m more able to go into a moment that matters as my best self? And that is in three simple steps. What spiritual wisdom, psychological traditions teach is the path to contentment, peace of mind, and ultimately happiness.

00:30:41:14 – 00:30:48:15
Philippa White
That is so important and so simple and not done nearly enough.

00:30:48:21 – 00:30:49:05
David Joshua
Right.

00:30:50:14 – 00:30:54:18
Philippa White
Thank you for that. I did not expect that on this, but I really like that. Thank you.

00:30:56:15 – 00:31:03:15
David Joshua
It’s my pleasure. If we if I could just give people one thing, that would be it’s so I’m so glad it went that way. I did not expect that either.

00:31:04:00 – 00:31:18:10
Philippa White
It was perfect. No, I think you’ve answered it. But let me just it is a question here, and I just do want to make sure that it has been answered the way that you want to answer it, that your experience what is the key to people fulfilling their potential?

00:31:18:18 – 00:31:46:06
David Joshua
Okay. So I’m going to speak to your listeners because I think it’s super important that we talk about potential in the construct of what they experience. Now, your listeners have power, right, both at work, formally or maybe indirectly in community. Now, the flip side to power is responsibility. So what’s the responsibility that we have? And the responsibility we have is to get people to act better and to get them to aim higher.

00:31:46:13 – 00:32:12:05
David Joshua
Now, we talked about acting better and that’s rather than the show and tell fire and forget infotainment that pervades the L.A. industry. I think it’s super crucial that we focus on action and outcome, but I don’t think that’s negotiable. But what about aiming higher? Here’s what I know for sure. Almost everybody I work with suffers from imposter syndrome and gets so little.

00:32:12:05 – 00:32:35:04
David Joshua
External validation is, frankly, it’s tragic. So what I would invite you to do is to make it a habit of offering sincere, specific and kind encouragement to the people that you’re responsible for, the people you meet, and the people who need it, and especially the ones you don’t think do need it the most. Again, in my experience, we we talk about diversity.

00:32:35:04 – 00:32:59:13
David Joshua
We talk about equality of opportunity, we talk about inclusion, but fundamentally it’s upliftment. And if we can recognize and verbalize the good we see in others, then we instantly ennoble and uplift. Then you have no idea how a few words of encouragement will change. People’s perception of themselves will help them get them as that. That will help them aim higher.

00:32:59:13 – 00:33:18:13
David Joshua
And it costs so little and it means so much. You can change people’s lives just by giving words of appreciation and encouragement and looking for the good in people and taking action when you see it. And when you do that, you don’t just uplift others, that you also uplift yourselves.

00:33:18:14 – 00:33:48:21
Philippa White
Yeah, totally. Oh, that is so powerful and so true. I have so many examples of when that doesn’t happen, how detrimental that can be to someone’s mental health, self-worth, but how they even value themselves, what they didn’t ask for, what they don’t accept, which is just absurd. Yeah. And I look at the power of these leaders and how they can do that and to then undo that is so hard.

00:33:49:04 – 00:34:09:05
Philippa White
And you as some a friend or a partner or whoever and you could say, but it’s not like that. But until the people who are managing those people turn that around, it’s very hard for other people or for them. So you have to be incredibly strong to be able to fight against that. And you just think to be a leader that is an empowering leader, a facilitative leader.

00:34:09:05 – 00:34:13:04
Philippa White
You can change people’s lives and you just need to learn how to do that.

00:34:13:04 – 00:34:27:19
David Joshua
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, it’s courage to actually be kind and I think the world is going that way. I think you’re showing up for that, you know, and it is. And I can feel it. I can see it. And now it’s cool to be kind. It wasn’t. Yeah, but it.

00:34:30:17 – 00:34:51:05
Philippa White
Totally, totally. I love that. Now midst is I feel like we do just for our listeners. We do have these catch ons quite often. So I mean I’m but I could continue talking for a while, but we are coming to the end of the podcast. I’m happy to know that I will have the chance to catch up with David again, but if you want to get in touch with him, well, the information will be on the blurb.

00:34:51:23 – 00:35:03:04
Philippa White
He’s on LinkedIn. You should just follow him on LinkedIn because he has some great content there. And of course, emails, stuff all include. But is there anything that I asked you that you’d like to tell our listeners as we wrap things up?

00:35:04:04 – 00:35:22:08
David Joshua
There is. And rather than follow me, connect with me, drop me a note. I would love to meet you. I would love to say hello. I would love to be connected. I think it’s a beautiful it’s a miracle, you know, that we can share insight and ideas in this wonderful community. So I would say that that’s all I ask is rather than follow me if you’re interested, connect with me.

00:35:22:14 – 00:35:36:05
David Joshua
I’m super excited to connect with you on LinkedIn or in any other form, and thank you so much for listening. I know time is your most valuable resource and I deeply, deeply, sincerely appreciate you giving yours to Philippa and me.

00:35:36:12 – 00:35:37:08
Philippa White
Thank you, David.

00:35:37:20 – 00:35:38:19
David Joshua
Thank you. Bye bye.

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