Em Cena and providing a future for the children of Brazil through art

I’m sure you are aware of the power of art and dance.

But have you stopped to think of that power and how it can impact children that come from incredibly difficult backgrounds?

Today I’m speaking with Betania Gonçalves da Silva, the co-founder and Executive Coordinator of Em Cena Arte e Cidadania, (On Stage: Art and Citizenship) an NGO based in Recife Brazil.

Em Cena was founded in 1998 by a group of friends who were tired of complaining about the social problems in Brazil – so decided to make a difference. They work with children and teens from one of the poorest areas of the city – houses without running water, and a community that faces the challenges of drugs, violence and more. And their mission is to impact the lives of these young people through the arts.

But they were severely impacted by the pandemic. Unable to run in-person activities for the children meant that the relationship with the community and local partners weakened significantly. And the future of these children’s lives, in many cases, depends on Em Cena.

Today we talk about the reality on the ground in one of the poorest areas of Brazil.

What do these children face every day?

What are the gender issues in the favela?

And what happens when the children step out of the favela, for even just an afternoon or two a week?

We cover off a lot here. So grab your favourite beverage. Or throw on those running shoes and here is an inspiring chat with Betania.

And please don’t forget to let us know what you think of this episode, leave a review and subscribe.

00:00:02:04 – 00:00:27:03
Philippa White
Welcome to the show, where we unearth new ways of looking at ever evolving light around the world. Seen from a number of different industries, cultures and backgrounds. But there’s one thing that unites everyone I speak to. They all want to do their part to make the world better in their own unique ways. It’s a uniting passion. Whether they’re from the commercial world, third sector or public sector from the Global North or the global south.

00:00:27:15 – 00:01:07:07
Philippa White
My name is Philippa White and welcome to TIE Unearthed. Many of you listening today will be aware of the power of art and dance. But I wonder if you’ve stopped to think of that power and how it can impact children that come from incredibly difficult backgrounds. Hello and welcome to episode 46 of Thai Unearthed. Today I’m speaking with Pittella Gonzalez de Silva, the co-founder and executive coordinator of Eng Sena Ciudadania on Stage Art and Citizenship, an NGO based in Brazil.

00:01:07:07 – 00:01:39:21
Philippa White
Founded in 1998 by a group of friends who are tired of complaining about the social problems in Brazil. So they decided to make a difference. They work with children and teens from one of the poorest areas of the city. Houses without running water in a community that faces the challenges of drugs, violence and more. It’s not an easy place to grow up, but this group strongly believed they could make a difference in the world through the arts, in all its forms of development.

00:01:40:05 – 00:02:09:16
Philippa White
In dignity. And in comedy. In persuasion. And in exaggeration. In fantasy and reality. They’ve been working to transform the lives of these teens and children through art. But they were severely impacted by the pandemic. Unable to run in-person activities for the children meant that the relationship with the community and the local partners weakened significantly. And the future of these children’s lives in many cases depends on Insana.

00:02:09:24 – 00:02:31:05
Philippa White
Today we talk about the important work they do, the challenges that the community faces, but also the impact that they have had on the lives of the people that get involved. We talk about the relationship with time and how we plan to support their important work with our next TIE project with Leo BURNETT, London. So grab your favorite beverage or throw in those running shoes.

00:02:31:19 – 00:02:37:20
Philippa White
And here is an inspiring chat with Betania.

00:02:37:20 – 00:02:42:12
Philippa White
Heelo. It’s lovely to have you with us today. How are you?

00:02:43:12 – 00:02:47:01
Betania Gonçalves
I’m cool. I’m fine. I’m excited to be here.

00:02:47:08 – 00:03:04:00
Philippa White
I’m so excited to have you with us. We have a long history together and it’s wonderful to be having this opportunity to bring you and the extraordinary work that extended does to life. So thank you for joining us.

00:03:04:03 – 00:03:09:11
Betania Gonçalves
And we are really excited to have some very nice experience for the.

00:03:09:12 – 00:03:17:15
Philippa White
Telia is talking to us from Brazil as well. We’re actually both in the same region, but talk to us where where are you sitting right now?

00:03:17:15 – 00:03:30:09
Betania Gonçalves
Where are you and sitting there. I work for Astana in the afternoon and I work for an for tourism theory. The English, the Spanish and orange shifts.

00:03:30:18 – 00:03:49:20
Philippa White
Wonderful. And that’s what’s actually really grateful for our listeners. But don’t you speak Portuguese and Brazilian? And it’s really wonderful because she also is brilliant in English, which definitely helps when it comes to these types of projects and getting professionals who obviously are desperate to be able to get involved with your important work. But language is sometimes a barrier.

00:03:49:20 – 00:04:02:24
Philippa White
Thankfully, you are an English teacher and a fluent English speaker, which certainly helps with that dynamic. Can you tell our listeners about you the work you do and just the story of how incentives started? Because it’s beautiful.

00:04:03:03 – 00:04:31:17
Betania Gonçalves
While I’m letting you. So then to see what they have seen since I was born, I’m from the sea and I was our teacher. I was a member of this boat for seven years, but I was raised to move at home a lot. So when I was 17, I just opened and I had open doors and I could go to the streets and walk alone and things.

00:04:31:19 – 00:04:58:14
Betania Gonçalves
That’s when I joined the system and I see them for three, four years. And then I had some money and when I was 24, I joined up with less Milan. So she works for the military personnel and we were both a little bit sad. So we had a problem, a relationship, a personal relationship, and we wanted to do something.

00:04:58:15 – 00:05:29:20
Betania Gonçalves
We wanted to change our jobs change, right? At the same time, we had a problem here as team Tunisians and novelists. They invited me to do some little crimes. They went to the place. Stephanie And so they had a big problem. And all the kids were in the streets and I was sitting at the moment and I myself, I got really scared to go to the streets and saw those kids.

00:05:29:20 – 00:05:59:04
Betania Gonçalves
And so when with so some little friends and then I talked to a lot Isa, it’s our chance to do something for us, so work hard and then we get all the students in the city and then they are school. It was a huge imagination dream. Of course it was impossible because there was so many kids and it’s so easy to happen.

00:05:59:16 – 00:06:31:00
Betania Gonçalves
You’re looking for a place to work. Writing proposals, proposal writing involved in what we wanted. We wanted the things we thought we wanted. The best thing that inner music and law system. And then we went to find a place where to do it. And then we found a place for this where we work. And the director said, Well, I love everything, but in our place we don’t have class.

00:06:31:01 – 00:07:04:07
Betania Gonçalves
So how about suddenly? I was a little bit frustrated, but I’m happy because we haven’t decided something. But we wanted to start with a meeting, a huge dream. It was impossible. Then I started thinking about it. It was changed for me to work. For what? Use a base in English. It was turning point. At the first day we had more than six kids singles.

00:07:04:10 – 00:07:39:11
Betania Gonçalves
How many? 60? 60, 66. But we only had one and one teacher. We had all the seats we had to select the kids. And when I saw the amount of space or there’s like we can do only 20, we have to walk more. And every time I went there at that time I was responsible for citizenship. We were in the case of politics, that they had to be all things in the hip time, have to change their own realities.

00:07:39:21 – 00:08:16:19
Betania Gonçalves
And the teacher was like, It’s in time. Retired Piano Teacher, Class three and we had no lesson. And I told them about all those problems, in a word, to those kids in those posts company, only 22 more of them work here. We have to bring them together. And the thing that was shocking and I was trying to avoid them getting both papers and the traffic.

00:08:17:01 – 00:08:56:22
Betania Gonçalves
GROSS I’m so sorry. You have any didn’t stop it didn’t produce even worse after the pandemic, but they gave six of us most system that we have some but they didn’t get involved in the drugs. They didn’t get involved that most of them, they had jobs in it families. And it’s very, very rewarding for us. And the second thing that struck me most was that the young girls used to have kids when they were age 12, 17 at that time 20 years ago.

00:08:57:00 – 00:09:08:02
Betania Gonçalves
And our kids that they went to lessons they saw having kids when they were 19, 20. Wow. So big, big change.

00:09:08:09 – 00:09:36:24
Philippa White
Big change. Well, perhaps you can tell us about the challenges that you face in in your part of the world so that our listeners can understand what the realities on the ground. You talked about pregnancy, you talked about drugs, but I think it would just be really helpful. You talk about Coelho’s, which is this community slash favela, or for people who are listening, it’s one of the poorest areas in the city recipients, a city of 4 million people.

00:09:36:24 – 00:09:44:16
Philippa White
And it is very poor. Maybe you can bring to life just the reality of these children, you know, where do they come from?

00:09:45:04 – 00:10:04:07
Betania Gonçalves
The city is about 3 million people and most of the people are on the streets in the city center downtown. It’s something very worth seeing because around the produce shop, he says, hustles well in hospitals.

00:10:04:07 – 00:10:05:01
Philippa White
The hospitals.

00:10:06:05 – 00:10:41:01
Betania Gonçalves
Is very close to many families and shops and shopping centers. But it’s all those little houses that were in the seventies, a big project, the World Bank, the World Bank Finance House. This is a really, really small house. This one goes to the other one. It’s still there. And it was meant to be a number house. But as saw it in the city center, it is full of the hospitals, private hospitals and public hospitals.

00:10:41:04 – 00:11:03:22
Betania Gonçalves
Many people from some from the countryside. And this is Sorious sees the beginning of this. So be treated here because it’s one of the biggest hospitals. Very, very many people come from the countryside and most people stay there because they didn’t have money to go back to the cities in the countryside. So they saw little houses, the little places in the area.

00:11:04:01 – 00:11:21:06
Betania Gonçalves
And it has grown and grown and it doesn’t stop growing. That’s the same thing that happens. People come from the countryside to be treated in the first instance. They are nearby and they keep saying there are houses in the river. They can’t sell a fetus, they don’t know the name anymore.

00:11:21:06 – 00:11:43:13
Philippa White
So Paulo, features are houses on stilts. So they’re there, wooden houses on raised up above the polluted river, I think it’s important to say. So this river is polluted horribly because there’s very little sewage system here. So there’s just a lot of sewage that goes into this river. And these houses sit on top of this river, on top of stilts.

00:11:43:13 – 00:11:45:16
Philippa White
But these houses often don’t have any running water.

00:11:45:24 – 00:11:54:18
Betania Gonçalves
So they don’t have any water and they have restrooms. Their necessities spill into the river.

00:11:54:18 – 00:11:56:12
Philippa White
I’ve seen people bathe in that river.

00:11:56:23 – 00:12:26:03
Betania Gonçalves
I think they’re very brave, very, very strong system, because if they go diving their river with Vibrio or something, it’s simple. And you say sex, gender problem, the women, it’s an area with a lot of daily and they feel that they are more effective. They haven’t managed to house even this specimen. It’s not the men, women, but it’s more affected.

00:12:26:09 – 00:12:45:10
Philippa White
One thing that really struck me actually with one of our previous projects, I remember when people were talking about what they said a means to these children, and we had somebody who was trying to find the word that brought to life just that relationship that you have. And I remember somebodies original thought was being sent is like a hole.

00:12:45:13 – 00:13:03:04
Philippa White
And I remember you pushing against that because you said because it’s not like a home for you. A home is a nice, comfortable place. But for these children, it’s not we can’t be sharing the vision of the center as a home because that’s exactly what we’re not for them. And I just wonder if you could bring that to light the challenges that these children face.

00:13:03:04 – 00:13:04:21
Philippa White
What is their reality day to day lives.

00:13:05:16 – 00:13:41:24
Betania Gonçalves
That we work with? And I know that counts as a serious thing. So somehow they don’t have running water, they don’t have even a restroom. And for some children, they live and people in the house as very small factory, more classrooms. And when they come in, they have that white space, a very beautiful face with zero floors. And they also have a show that we share with the other organizations, advocates, advocates.

00:13:41:24 – 00:14:07:04
Betania Gonçalves
So they get a kind of I’m free and protected and I feel respected by others and I don’t have to be sleeping in my house and all the people fighting for some space and they seem like they’re very welcome. And once there was a cry, a child’s and that she didn’t she didn’t have a best friend in the restaurant and cement and center.

00:14:07:07 – 00:14:33:09
Betania Gonçalves
And I was thinking too long the best we had a Nero. That’s really huge. Okay. It helps us. And when we opened the door, she was sitting on the toilet. Well, what are you doing? I don’t know how to use it. I didn’t know that she had to sit down with it. And later on, we made a presentation, a theater and a safety kit and serving the restroom and sharing the best.

00:14:33:11 – 00:14:58:04
Betania Gonçalves
And she didn’t leave. The rest is waiting for her all the time. We watched the when we got there just opened all the seats because she wanted to see the running water. It wasn’t for me more than in the house. She opened one and once again, children are the ones that know about safe open the best for you to receive order.

00:14:58:17 – 00:15:30:11
Betania Gonçalves
It’s like I want to live here, experience my house, so beautiful, so clean, and we need to have it to see all the realities, but also about where it comes from. These kids, I mentioned that she’s a woman, she is a boy. And her boyfriend who ran because of a teacher that we have to renew our lives. And, you know, and working with men and children are slow.

00:15:30:15 – 00:15:49:17
Philippa White
As we’ve mentioned, we have worked together in the past. And I just wonder if you can bring to life for our listeners just about the experience to date with time. Perhaps you could just explain how high and just having external viewpoints and experiences and and skills have helped you.

00:15:50:07 – 00:16:20:22
Betania Gonçalves
Works inside in times. I remember my son came to the Crescent City and he showed us much more than we realize, unfortunately. And when we read this, all the things that she got it and the experience she had, she really got involved with the community. She got friends from there. And at that time we’re doing classes. So the women we were doing face to face and we run together.

00:16:20:22 – 00:16:49:08
Betania Gonçalves
We, the women and every class, she went there and she couldn’t speak any more in sports, but she wasn’t alone and mixed in. She met all the people, but she did. And during those classes the women were talking about women face like having troubles, husbands and kids and doing their best. And that was the purpose of the project.

00:16:49:20 – 00:17:24:19
Betania Gonçalves
They talk about their face, why it was something that they use in the house. And she showed us in this process spatial, other democracy and so the business and she learned that one thing that was difficult for them is to keep those children going to the same place. And that was something to keep them. The mothers understand that it was necessary to spend more than a year in order to see your school education, Slow says.

00:17:24:24 – 00:17:59:18
Betania Gonçalves
And she put in hair samples what she saw in one months that I came to really changed her behavior and was very nasty and strong face and aggressive in our work. And I said, kids say something pretty different to the war. And just one month in one month, that is a year, three years of education. And then the second one was another one that the city got involved in the city, for example.

00:17:59:18 – 00:18:01:11
Philippa White
Which is wake up people.

00:18:01:11 – 00:18:33:03
Betania Gonçalves
That we had to before for the city, how to make them stick to the world they worried what they needed and so music and improv that show same here that they all and our little website everything that we didn’t have it this time and we didn’t and we made a city music created by students that engages with all the worries that they had a moment.

00:18:33:03 – 00:18:43:16
Betania Gonçalves
And it was very surprising to us that most of the songs this solution was that there was one to help. They got it because it’s just.

00:18:44:00 – 00:18:50:10
Philippa White
It’s just yeah, it’s it’s a very sweet chocolate it or it’s a very sweet dessert.

00:18:50:16 – 00:19:15:21
Betania Gonçalves
And the some was you don’t have anything to bring so grateful to translate to send this mixed they got it together somebody got it together and this was a we had a lesson that they had to make. But here they are in their houses. We provide them for this is new and then to make them bring them into the house and they had to change the size of what they were.

00:19:15:21 – 00:19:51:24
Betania Gonçalves
If they are small bag of chips and share with their family and everything and each one of them put together some bread and sell them how they make this break up between their house and they joined together. We don’t have do with your house on the street. So getting about 50 something saying let’s go there and we’ll all connected in a project inside that was the release of that the and on the forums and this was like announcement and there was a website, the space and we got a lot of support for it at the time.

00:19:51:24 – 00:19:54:16
Betania Gonçalves
This big, beautiful photos and.

00:19:54:16 – 00:20:04:02
Philippa White
The objective for that was to engage more with the with the community, wasn’t it, to get more noise around the center and the importance of getting involved.

00:20:04:03 – 00:20:33:24
Betania Gonçalves
The second day after all these things and after my plan was to use that material in the schools in the area. So we we used to seeing some proverbs and they said what they see and the it is strong enough to debate the kids of schools. So we visit, of course, there are three public schools and two private schools and they were talking about the challenges that a teenage face.

00:20:34:04 – 00:20:57:05
Philippa White
And really important and I think that’s a really good segue way into what we’re going to be doing with you and with Leo BURNETT shortly in May. Because the pandemic’s been hard, obviously, with with everything being open, it was already hard because we just stop and think about the challenges of getting involved. We see why it’s so important, but obviously there’s loads of barriers to entry know.

00:20:57:06 – 00:21:17:10
Philippa White
We thought how old were many people living in a house who’s actually looking after that child? Who’s going to be taking that child to instead of do the does the community understand why it’s so important for these children to be getting set up? There’s so many different challenges, aren’t there, to engage with the super important work that you do that obviously changes the lives of the children.

00:21:17:10 – 00:21:41:24
Philippa White
And then a pandemic happens where obviously just those ties that were there to the community just broken down and then it’s like, Oh my go. And obviously I think we all know around the world children were horribly impacted by the pandemic. Obviously, not being able to go to school is part of it, but it’s increased tremendously in these parts of the world where you think what’s happening on the streets with these kids, it’s happening in the homes with these kids.

00:21:42:00 – 00:22:08:07
Philippa White
Talk to us about what you hope to achieve with this project with Leo BURNETT of a team of six people working with a center with our it’s now virtual so people don’t physically go but it’s still super impactful because they will be working with you to really unearth the challenge that obviously you are all facing. And then help find a solution with their genius communication and strategic and just skills to hopefully help you.

00:22:08:07 – 00:22:11:18
Philippa White
So maybe you could just bring to light for our listeners how you hope we can help you this time.

00:22:11:21 – 00:22:55:11
Betania Gonçalves
We had a big fire in 2014 and 2021 for many reasons, but with our new face that was important, the best. And we saw it with kids, younger people than before. When you work with teenagers and when we decided to work with the little kids, the younger kids, then we started it from and baseline everything, all the communication that we had the same reason for the most and we want that we are stronger from our own knowledge working with that age.

00:22:55:18 – 00:23:24:04
Betania Gonçalves
That’s not a teenager. This child, this very approach to us and being able to communicate better and the benefits are at an age. That’s one of our challenges now. Although we have experienced, we have been studying in our strengths. Our team is the best and I love my team. We still have difficult to communicate to other people how important it is for us.

00:23:25:05 – 00:23:48:09
Betania Gonçalves
And sometimes we see all the families that is the one that keeps our kids and so way. But at the same time they imagine that they can have an adult being able to deal with all this setting in this and even me being able to go to the organization of them by themselves and being able to look at their friends.

00:23:48:09 – 00:24:27:17
Betania Gonçalves
I suppose it’s important that they keep their smiling and smiling face to face no matter the case. So the folks and also especially in this age, they don’t realize, oh, my name and all the adults and dealing with those things, especially that it’s incredible to see. Or you find your own person crossing the street that all those stars coming and going and we don’t see them other than adults, them and their families say, but the kid doesn’t go this way.

00:24:27:17 – 00:24:50:14
Betania Gonçalves
They can lose their home looks. See, the house is susceptible to it and these data is also says help for mothers and fathers. So the work they have I don’t like to relax, but they seem confident that it keeps them to be treated well treated. And and the lesson is why for the kids in the house.

00:24:51:06 – 00:25:07:04
Philippa White
And so the objective is to help the community and the families understand the importance of the Senate and the education of art in these children’s lives, and to just to reconnect the community with the important work you do with.

00:25:07:08 – 00:25:37:11
Betania Gonçalves
Not only the community, but all the society I think society needs. It’s urgent that our children, as stage are important, is in and how we communicate to the world that sometimes we think that if they fail to solve this, donors and sponsors, most of them say, by the way, I work with teenagers and they just need to get a job.

00:25:37:13 – 00:25:41:16
Betania Gonçalves
They think that they can follow education at home to go for work.

00:25:41:19 – 00:26:07:07
Philippa White
Well, actually, the the argument is that the first years of life and formation of the child are actually the most important. And if you can help these little people have that face of warmth and humanity and understanding about their potential and bring that to life at that age and have that continue until eight years old. That’s actually the key role humans that can contribute to society in the future.

00:26:07:10 – 00:26:10:14
Philippa White
That’s actually the key. So yeah, I know that makes that makes sense.

00:26:10:14 – 00:26:35:06
Betania Gonçalves
And making them do drawings and lines that might make them have this happiness in this world and that life for. And they don’t mind, of course, they are able to realize that this was not only worse, but it is. They have that in their mind. It can make this better. We we believe that they will become better and better and is exactly.

00:26:35:14 – 00:26:42:18
Philippa White
Now we’re coming to the end of the podcast. I’m curious to know what keeps you up at night worrying, but also what gives you hope?

00:26:42:18 – 00:27:04:22
Betania Gonçalves
Forgive me for it. I’m always and I say everybody, I don’t have to invest. I don’t have time. I have one life and only one life for the people, for making all the life, for my son that I believe in. And I make this also for me. I want to live in a better place now, not in the future.

00:27:06:00 – 00:27:29:01
Betania Gonçalves
Now I have to do something now. And and I love them and their love with the same. I also feel good. It’s nice to see them and I see I one of my dreams is safe. Those kids travel everywhere and bring their shows. All the countries. Because I can’t do that. I’m really trying to rethink all of the above from other countries.

00:27:29:01 – 00:27:32:05
Betania Gonçalves
So work as a volunteer as well.

00:27:32:06 – 00:27:43:03
Philippa White
Your shows are great. I mean, I remember it’s a miss them because the pandemic hasn’t allowed them. But I guess actually now you can start to plan for shows this year. I would think.

00:27:43:16 – 00:28:01:22
Betania Gonçalves
We have a bonding on the show that we’ve started saying that for us. Yeah. And then as we are very young children. Yes. Shows that they are going best thing on that show. So let’s start this somebody better who.

00:28:02:10 – 00:28:03:09
Philippa White
Okay great.

00:28:03:15 – 00:28:05:15
Betania Gonçalves
Update on September 18.

00:28:05:22 – 00:28:23:07
Philippa White
Okay. Well, you have to figure well, actually, the timing is good for this because we can also visit to figure out how to how to let people know about it. But it is I mean, it’s really moving. I remember sitting and just watching these beautiful children. You just know where they’re coming from and they’re just dancing like fairies on the stage.

00:28:23:07 – 00:28:25:02
Philippa White
Just incredible. It’s very emotive.

00:28:25:02 – 00:28:55:16
Betania Gonçalves
And also the show that’s very important for us for the span of it. So our show, what are the food side is very different from the cakes as well. After the shows, the kids come to us and then when they see the cars outside, which people are going to see, it’s a change. Something here for us because we have so many different they are not here because they are themselves.

00:28:55:17 – 00:29:16:14
Philippa White
And I feel that a lot of see with our type programs, it’s really interesting. We had a we had a project in Malawi not long ago. We had, you know, we had a group of people from around the world helping these Malawian adolescent girls develop entrepreneurial skills so that they can gain independence, that they can actually leave the house because they were in a situation that was not ideal for them.

00:29:16:21 – 00:29:33:00
Philippa White
And one day of these projects, it was important for the team to meet with the girls and have a conversation with them and that conversation, just that conversation to truly understand and to have a conversation where they, you know, everyone’s on the same level. I mean, who cares if this is sort of a CEO of a big whatever?

00:29:33:00 – 00:29:54:21
Philippa White
It’s sort of everyone’s the same level, truly trying to understand it. The girls giving feedback and information about their reality, just that increased the number of girls wanting to get involved with this organization because they felt listened to and they felt like people actually care. And people it’s not it wasn’t a pretty thing. It was sort of asking questions, say, okay, so what is your opinion about that and how does that work?

00:29:54:21 – 00:30:17:19
Philippa White
And Okay, so what do you do in this situation? And then feeling a part of this process. And it’s really interesting because a lot of the time we hear as a result of these projects, it’s so nice that people actually genuinely care, that people are really interested genuinely in our life. They want to know about us really. And it’s amazing because it’s really powerful, really powerful what we have come to the end.

00:30:17:19 – 00:30:27:00
Philippa White
But I’m just very curious to know, you know, is there is there anything that I haven’t asked you or anything that you’re working on at the moment that you think our listeners will find interesting?

00:30:27:00 – 00:31:16:10
Betania Gonçalves
Yes, we’re working at the moment only back from the beginning, various trying to make more relationships with their communities and finding stories where we finish some videos made by a teenager actually from the community we did a petition for. And instead of a lot ability to really try and find teachers to do some little courses, the workplace and we are doing this not only working with kids but fighting on the phones, bringing them to work together instead of making them work within the common sense to do more, to make them do something for themselves.

00:31:16:22 – 00:31:49:12
Betania Gonçalves
Yeah, because sometimes we only say wow, pretty good. What we do and only this sentence the next two weeks or something, you know, after that we solve this, this and that and we think that’s very rewarding. And to people on my team, I sent a team, they are in the process of work. The reason they were elected and I went to one of the events and said, women say I saw no, this was 3×2.

00:31:49:14 – 00:31:50:07
Betania Gonçalves
Then something.

00:31:50:21 – 00:31:51:21
Philippa White
Really.

00:31:53:16 – 00:32:11:01
Betania Gonçalves
Swooped in this thing. Then I think ownership of suivi every time we go to show somewhere we we don’t say can at some points you then place inside that area.

00:32:11:11 – 00:32:36:23
Philippa White
And that is so powerful because giving that power, empowering the individuals to feel ownership and to feel like you can be the change, don’t wait for other people within yourself. And then seeing that that change maker within you and to know that you since that dream of hope 24 when you set it up, I think. But I mean, just how old is a senator tonight?

00:32:36:23 – 00:32:40:09
Betania Gonçalves
824. Real time, 24 November.

00:32:40:14 – 00:33:03:00
Philippa White
Wow, that’s amazing. Yeah, you’re doing amazing work. It’s very it’s very rewarding for you and for us as well, just to sort of see the impact of little projects that we work on. But how that feeds into that bigger vision and the the impact on people’s lives. So for our listeners, obviously that’s a taste of what it is like.

00:33:03:00 – 00:33:18:22
Philippa White
But also there are people who are listening who are going to be getting involved and and I know that they will be listening to this, just really excited to get stuck in. So thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your incredible work. Thank you for bringing it to life with me today. I really appreciate it.

00:33:18:23 – 00:33:23:20
Betania Gonçalves
So let’s see. Let’s talk.

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